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'We should have no dealings with that aberration called Pakistan'
E-mail from readers the world over
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Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:35:57 -0700 Wonderful news. It makes every Indian proud. Let's flush every intruder left on the Indian side. The Paki 'freedom fighters' have won their freedom from leading lives not worthy of a mention.
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Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:56:50 +0530 Nice report by Chindu Sreedharan. You must be really adventurous to go to unknown heights alone. Kudos for that. What was really touching was the brief about Sarvanan. I wish you would continue with such reports. Cheers to all at the front. Suri
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Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:56:33 +0400 I am so proud of the Ladakhi people for their love towards India and their sincere efforts to help us to fight against the intruders
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Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:03:33 +0200 (MDT) A really interesting article. But after reading what the officer told Chindu -- that the media is giving out information - I realise it is a disadvantage for the army. Consider the Balti language and pictures of the radar -- I just can't understand why Chindu Sreedharan is giving out information again.
Also consider: "We also think that there are some foreigners with them -- some speak with a foreign accent."
If the media is really concerned about India, should they not stop revealing information that could be to Pakistan's advantage? Balaji Prakash
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Sun, 4 Jul 1999 01:46:01 -0700 There goes another important intelligence information. Now that Chindu Sreedharan has said, "There is only little snow at the top now. Once that melts, they will have severe water trouble....'' Now the Pak army will start building up water reserves to prolong the intruders' stay. Such information has enough strategic importance to it. Sreedharan seems to have betrayed the trust of the "anonymous" intelligence officer by publishing such information. While I praise what Rediff and its correspondents are doing - I wonder whether your editorial board reviews the content to prevent any "strategic information" from bring leaked out. Rediff would serve the nation better if it could prevent any such leakage in future. Such information may help add some spice to the story. I would rather not know it if such information helps kill another Indian soldier. Soma
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Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:31:43 +0530 On the one hand civilians are trying to show their patriotism by felicitating the army, on the other hand they are totally insensitive to the army personnel. Such a minor issue could have been easily avoided. It seems everyone just wants some mileage from the Kargil episode, no one is really bothered about the army by and large.
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Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:45:24 +0800 It is surprising to note Pakistan's concern when they have repeatedly stated that their forces are not involved in the illegal occupation of Indian territory. If the intruders are indeed insurgents, then what is the need for Nawaz Sharief & Co to get agitated when India tries to oust these infiltrators?
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Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:01:23 -0400 Good news? Who will be held responsible for the lives of the Indian soldiers lost? Who will be held accountable for monetary/economic loss to India and the villagers who live on the border? Since it is Pakistan which started all this they should be made responsible and be made to pay for all this. It is sad that none of the generals or politicians who called for this unnecessary war, fight on the battlefield. They sit in well-protected air-conditioned offices and issue the death warrants of innocent jawans and officers. It is they who should be held responsible and be made accountable. Kalidas
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Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:32:34 +0700 Intemperate junk! With compatriots like Monu, who needs an enemy? Piyush Desai
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Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:49:02 -0400 Here is a typical example of "blowing a lot of hot air and no substance". Nalapat's constant tirade against Western nations is foolish and illogical. He raises the issue of sovereignty in the context of the actions of NATO against Yugoslavia. Actually NATO should have acted when Serbia and Milosevic were involved in ethnic cleansing in Bosnia. NATO should have wiped out the Yugoslav army. Question of sovereignty is irrelevant when dictators like Milosevic do not even follow common decency. Nalapat's memory is at best fleeting. When India attacked a sovereign nation, Pakistan, and created a separate nation Bangladesh, the reason given was that a large number of refugees had entered India from West Pakistan. And it was like a state of war, and India acted correctly to right the wrong. NATO actions in the Balkans is exactly similar. I, for one, really think that NATO should be fully complemented for what they did. Saved hundreds of innocent lives. The present Indian government's objection against the actions of NATO amounts to hypocrisy. India was right when it acted against Pakistan during the Bangladesh war, and the US and other Western countries were wrong in blaming India for its actions then. India is wrong in taking objections against NATO. And now India is looking for support from NATO nations for their actions against Pakistan-supported action in Kargil. It will be very difficult to get such support.
Balwant Dixit
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Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:35:26 +0400 Considering your pleas to let Kashmiris decide for themselves, let us tell you that you should consider the following: 1. Mohajirs left their land in India and migrated to Pakistan as a part of the deal of Partition. Their human rights have been violated and subjected to gross indiscrimination. Thousands have been mercilessly killed and military courts appointed to deal with them. We support Mohajirs in their rightful struggle to gain basic rights in Pakistan. We are Sindhis and our parents were born in Sind, Pakistan and I am proud to say that there has been no discrimination and nobody ever told us that you have migrated from Pakistan and you are less Indian. What happened to our community which was left behind is nothing less than genocide. Ask Mohajirs (Indian Muslims) about the people who were left behind. Some became presidents, chiefs of army staff. We would urge the UN and NATO to intervene and bomb Pakistan like Yugoslavia and try its leaders for genocide. 2. Due to terrorist activities of Pakistan during the last ten years not less than 20,000 people have lost their lives. Does it not qualify Pakistan as the number one terrorist country of the world? Subhash
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Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:02:49 -0500 When Shiv Sena Supremo Bal Thackeray and his men campaigned against our team playing the Pakis in India, everyone laughed and called Thackeray a fanatic. I did believe him and agreed with him. The United States, till very recently (February 1999), did not invite Cubans or send any of its baseball teams there, although Cubans have a very good team. The only reason for this is their bitter relations since the Cold War. Now the Cold War is over. Furthermore, Cuba has not been involved in exporting terrorism or its militants to Florida or to any other state in the US. Now, after the Kargil misadventure by Pak, looks like our folks seem to be convinced that what Thackeray did in 1998 was correct. I am a great lover of cricket too but I strongly believe that other than the World Cup, our cricketers should not play with Pak. Our team should not go there and their team should not be allowed to step on our soil. On issues like this, we should not allow our nationalism to take a back seat.
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Sat, 03 Jul 1999 02:58:47 PDT Some of your columnists (Varsha Bhosle, Saisuresh) are busy bashing the "Wagah crowd" because they are thought to be soft on Pakistan. I would submit that another interpretation is possible. Maybe some of the people who continue to support people to people contact, exchange of artistes, media etc are not deluded pinkos but sensible people who realise that India-Pakistan are in a war-like situation. It may well be necessary (in India's interest) to vigorously oppose terrorism, border violations etc; and at the same time, continue the ground work for future reconciliation and coexistence. By all means, cancel the Sahara Cup. A friendship cup is meaningless in the current situation. But in future, it is Zee TV, Hindi films, music, art, dance, travel and so on, which will break down the barriers of hate. As one of our ancestors said, "It is not by hate, that hate is ended; it is only by love, that hate is ended. This is an old law." Extremists who refuse to listen to reason, will have to be tackled by force (and there are criminals and anti-social psychopaths on both sides, so let's not get too sanctimonious), but discrimination is needed in the application of that force. Tempers are high right now; but let's not forget that millions of Pakistanis also admired Atal Bihari when he rode in that bus to Lahore. If he is indeed a statesman (and I believe he is), let him continue to work on both objectives. Omar
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Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:54:53 -0400 Please do not publish this sort of idiotic news and let down our military capability. We need not hear all this when the whole country is against the enemy. Moreover, the headline was: Moghul descendants 'ready to fight an unending war' with Pakistan. If they are so magnanimous, let them go and fight without spelling out their credentials. I have high hopes from your site, and have been forwarding your site to a few friends in the US. VB
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Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:40:08 +0530 LOC -- to me was just a line till the war. I voted for India not to cross the LoC, but now I have changed my mind. Enough is enough. Gandhi is dead and gone. I loved his principles but this is stupid. Let's get back what we deserve and what is rightfully ours. Kashmir was, is, and shall always be a part of India. I may not be a patriot when it comes to politics but this is the last straw. To the politicians, I have only one thing to say -- get your act together and forget your greed for power. Sonia, Pawar can't your personal fight wait?
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Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:49:36 +0100 The minister is right. Stop the Lahore bus permanently. We should have no dealings with that aberration called Pakistan. Vinod Kothari
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Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:07:00 -0500 While there are reasons against crossing the LoC, there are many reasons for doing so. This is a good time to tell Pakistan that there will be a steep price to be paid for such misadventures in future. What is the cost to Pakistan presently? In terms of casualties, Pakistan has a ready supply of fanatical men to act as cannon fodder. There are stories that the Jamaat-e-Islam invited some Pakistanis who had attempted suicide recently to fight in Kashmir. Thus, loss of a soldier is less of an issue for Pakistan than it is for India. Pakistan also has a vast ISI network in India while India's network in Pakistan seems non-existent. ISI functionaries continue to set off explosions and incite riots across the country. While we hear of sporadic arrests of these functionaries, a whole lot of them are presumably residing in India absorbed in large Muslim enclaves with immunity. By occupying and holding on to territory, India can achieve two objectives. First, it can impose a heavy price on Pakistan for their misadventure. There's nothing like tangible territory to remind Pakistan of their loss of Bangladesh. Second, by being in no hurry to return this territory, India can remove the Kashmir issue from the immediate agenda since the issue for Pakistan would then have to be the return of the occupied territory. The occupied territory can be used as a negotiating tool to ensure, for example, that the LoC is made permanent. The danger of course is a nuclear confrontation. However, to succumb to Pakistan's nuclear blackmail (since they will always mention the use of nuclear weapons to intimidate us and prevent us from fighting them as they continue their ISI and infiltration activities) would only perpetuate the proxy-war Pakistan is waging in India. Now is as good a time as any to call their bluff and risk war. World opinion is with us. As Pakistan is not retreating from Kargil, India has grounds for crossing the LoC. And "if" Pakistan does initiate a nuclear war, there will be no Pakistan left since it will be bombed out of existence. So that is a big "if." If we keep our actions limited to taking over immediate areas from which the Pakistani infiltrators are receiving support, the chances of a wider war are reduced. Amberish Diwanji's article smacks of excessive caution and pusillanimity. I am not totally for crossing the LoC, yet can see many reasons for doing so. I would never rule it out. Because the moment you do so, you play into Pakistan's perception of India as ever-ready to grind it out, and unwilling to surprise them and really make them pay!
Kanak Gautam
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Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:48:53 -0500 Nawaz Sharief is a leader of no stature, a statesman with no credibility, a ruler with no control. Anything this man now says or does is suspect. Atal Bihari Vajpayee has burnt his fingers by trusting him and his country. After all, if not immediately, in the long term, the American stand is going to be that given the distrust between these two countries, they certainly need a mediator. This whole thing including the "Lahore process" may indeed be a ploy that the Americans were party to from the beginning. Given the poetry pouting weak leader that Vajpayee is, he is the ideal victim for a grand scam. How else can Bill Clinton's meeting with Nawaz Sharief be explained? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:25:43 -1000 From: PriyanK <ptewari@is2.dal.ca> Subject: 240 dead in operation Vijay How can it be called "Vijay" when we have lost so many jawans? Has anyone thought of that? Former US president George Bush lost his race to Bill Clinton for presidency because he couldn't explain why 50 Americans died in the Gulf War. So you see, how much importance the Western world (especially the US) lays on each and every soldier? Maybe that's why they are the most powerful country and have won all their wars this decade. They surely have learnt their lessons from Vietnam. India is great but have we learned our lessons from previous wars?
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Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:49:32 -0700 Apropos Rediff news item "India to move World Court against Pak aggression", July 3, 1999. It is imperative that India must move the World Court immediately and sue Pakistan for damages against blatant aggression, taking part in terrorist activities, colluding with internationally ill-reputed terrorist Osama Bin Laden, and for the premeditated murders of the Indian armed forces personnel and civilians in J&K during her misguided 1999 Kargil "blitzkrieg". Yes, they are the Islamic neo-Nazis, who are engaged in terrorising the civilised world in the name of "jihad". If we do not effectively prevent Pakistan from spreading terrorism in South Asia, now through The Hague and with the declared support of leading nations of the world -- US, UK, Canada, France, and Russia which have seen through the most recent Pakistani designs in Kargil -- the day is not far when we shall all be responsible for having given birth to thousands of Timur The Lame in our very own lifetime. How can we forget Mahmud Ghaznavi, the treacherous murderer who had sworn to kill thousands of peace-loving Hindus a day, as he advanced to capture Delhi? The world is with us and understands clearly how Pakistan committed this unabashed aggression, disguised behind the 'bus diplomacy' screen. Let us not permit this opportunity to slip by. Willy-nilly, we allowed Pakistan to gain initial advantages of an attack in the hostile climate and terrain of Kargil. We did not hit them hard within the first hours of their attack by striking deep inside Pak-Occupied Kashmir. Look what Israel did in Lebanon last week! Instead, we observed them occupy Tiger Hill and other vantage points all along the LoC, allowing them to disrupt traffic on India's most strategic highway effectively. What a shame! After it is all over, we should not shirk our responsibility of dismissing some generals and demoting other field commanders posted in those regions. Jethmalani! Move fast and strike the iron when it is hot. Do not delay. Anand Shyam
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Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:52:41 +0530 The comments by Kanchan Gupta were well worded and to the point. He has ridiculed the entire Congress party and rightly so, it just proves how important it is to have Indians at the helm of affairs! It's high time that the Opposition faced the reality that the entire country has only one thing on its mind now -- and that is to drive out the spineless aggressors. We the public don't give a damn as to what the Opposition thinks about the government's role, because we are convinced that they are doing their best and their best is certainly much better than what the 'great' Congress party could muster in 1962. It's also high time that we taught our children the right lessons on history, time we started talking about and admitting our past mistakes in a mature way. It will go a long way in making more balanced citizens and not just ones like me who were taught that everything nice happened in India because of Nehru and the Congress party. The Kargil episode is an eye-opener for all of us in all possible respects. Please do not look the other way. Harish Ganesh
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Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:14:30 +0530 It is time the Indian Air Force started destroying the supply lines across the LoC. I do not understand why we continue to remain a soft state and bombard and destroy only our land. It is time we took a leaf from the Israeli book. Sandhya S
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